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Raymond



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:08 pm    Post subject: Studio light.whit balance. Reply with quote

Hello! Is any body know where can I by studio light with 5000 kelvin bulbs and stands? I have to set up my studio with proper light white balance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raymond.......let me check with my husband and see if we have any for sale........he does the lighting in movies and we have the real thing....also check ebay.....Mole Richardson is the best brand.......check though to see if they ship to you also
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Linda...I will check.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raymond.......I talked with my husband.....( we don't have anything for sale at the moment )....but he said try to locate a film rental house ( movies ) in your area.......they can guide you .....or you can also try if its available there .....strip lighting with daylight bulbs........they are long tube's that are inexpensive and just plug in......there are also many filters and color gel's that can be used to change the temperature of the light

If you are interested in a good book on lighting effects try ......Lighting Secrets for the Professional Photographer.....it shows where to place ....an what type of light to achieve the look your after....plus what doesn't work

ISBN# 0-89879-412-9

Hope this helps....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Linda for answering. I think i finally find what i looking for.Have a look.
http://www.stevesphotoshop.co.uk/daylight_fluorescent_lighting_set_triple_bulb_T75P.html

I want set up my studio with light, to get wright White balance light when I painting.If you check out this link you will understand what i mean.
http://www.thecardermethod.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outstanding....Raymond.....that looks very good and not to expensive.....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck Raimonds. Linda is the best one to talk to about this. I can't wait to see what you paint Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theresa........you are to kind...ox......its not me so much as my husband....he's special FX rigging lighting........so we have the full monty here......you should see what he brings out when I ask him to light something

its too funny Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda - if you ever see some Mole-Richardson midgets for sale, please contact me. (they don't have to be M-R's, though...there are some knock-offs that can do the trick) Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuck........sent you a PM
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raymond,
Keep in mind that any fluorescent light will have spikes at certain wavelengths. This means that a colour you may mix under these lights may look different under natural light.

But I do understand your need because the Carder method requires pretty exact and unchanging light, so I'm not saying to not paint under lights, but just to keep in mind that these anomalies exist. It is called metamerism.

Best of luck and please post your results if you feel inclined.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Francis wrote:
Raymond,
Keep in mind that any fluorescent light will have spikes at certain wavelengths. This means that a colour you may mix under these lights may look different under natural light.

But I do understand your need because the Carder method requires pretty exact and unchanging light, so I'm not saying to not paint under lights, but just to keep in mind that these anomalies exist. It is called metamerism.

Best of luck and please post your results if you feel inclined.


Thanks Ron for answering. I am looking for lights for my studio for restoration and painting figures.The day light is fine,but in the evening when day light is gone,is very hard to see and understand which is right color.I try to work with standart bulb for rooms,but next day in day light color is look different.May by I am not right when looking for light with Carder method.In the Carder method is fluoriscent bulb with 5000 kelvin white balance.Then may by some body can tell me which is right way to let me work in evenings?Do you think the studio light which I find is not right?there is link"
http://www.stevesphotoshop.co.uk/daylight_fluorescent_lighting_set_triple_bulb_T75P.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raymond,
Of course daylight is best if you can manage it.
But if you have to work at night then I think those lights are possibly your best option.

I am certainly no expert in studio lighting, but it is widely discussed in another forum, especially in relation to portrait and still life painting.
I believe that 5500k is closest to direct sunlight, so 5000k should be slightly warmer and artists often find that anything higher looks too blue.
Here is a site that discusses different types of fluorescents that you may find interesting. Although they are tubes, the technical data will show you what I mean by sharp peaks in the spectrum.

I had a quick look at the link you provided and I couldn't see any CRI rating for the globes. (CRI= Colour Rendering Index.) The higher the number the better, and you should be looking for a rating in the 90s.
This is something that I would check first if I were looking at buying those studio lights.

Hope that helps rather than confuse.

[Edit: I just found this which shows you the SPD (spectral distribution Power) of an average fluorescent.

Really I'm only saying to beware as there isn't a perfect solution to painting at night.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using these;

http://www.amazon.com/Eiko-Self-Ballasted-Lamp-Compact-Fluorescent/dp/B000IBQ68G/ref=rsl_mainw_dpl?ie=UTF8&m=A3SPLR0MSOYZ8O

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Francis wrote:
Raymond,
Of course daylight is best if you can manage it.
But if you have to work at night then I think those lights are possibly your best option.

I am certainly no expert in studio lighting, but it is widely discussed in another forum, especially in relation to portrait and still life painting.
I believe that 5500k is closest to direct sunlight, so 5000k should be slightly warmer and artists often find that anything higher looks too blue.
Here is a site that discusses different types of fluorescents that you may find interesting. Although they are tubes, the technical data will show you what I mean by sharp peaks in the spectrum.

I had a quick look at the link you provided and I couldn't see any CRI rating for the globes. (CRI= Colour Rendering Index.) The higher the number the better, and you should be looking for a rating in the 90s.
This is something that I would check first if I were looking at buying those studio lights.

Hope that helps rather than confuse.

[Edit: I just found this which shows you the SPD (spectral distribution Power) of an average fluorescent.

Really I'm only saying to beware as there isn't a perfect solution to painting at night.

Thanks Ron for info,but I can't see link for site with forum about lights discussion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry Raymond,
This is the link that I forgot:
http://www.stevekim.com/2009/06/lights.html
Most of the information is about fluorescent tubes rather than compact fluorescent. Quite a few artists opt for the tubes and from what I have seen, they may offer better performance.

You may find this site interesting as well
http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/nlpip/lightinganswers/fullspectrum/disadvantages.asp

And this one you can compare the SDP graphs of different kinds of lights to that of daylight.
http://www.gelighting.com/na/business_lighting/education_resources/learn_about_light/distribution_curves.htm

All this information makes daylight look good to me.
Anyway, I hope that helps you.

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