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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Stucco Italiano Tadelakt exterior Reply with quote

so last night I was figuring this place on the forum looks a tad lonely,so prematurely I will start a thread here where you can watch us install a black tadelakt exterior here in Vancouver BC

its Aaron's product from seattle ...I have been dealing with this owner since approx march of this year and we finally started today...(good job too ,as i couldnt of started sooner without highering people ....and i hate new people)

the black sample in the slideshow is what won the better half of the owners heart ( the wife:P)...its scratched up from kicking around in my truck. and is what the final color will be for the exterior and partial interior.

this project was this close to going full hydraulic basecoat [ ] but will be done on a fibered cement basecoat. ( is it fibered or fibred?)


so i get to spend the rest of the summer on the hillside over looking stanely park ....and fight traffic all the way here....sucks

shots are just as we started scaffold this morning.



http://authenticplaster.myjalbum.net/tadelakt%20exterior/

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

very nice house, very nice colors, can't wait to see where they're going over their "Fiber cement siding (or "fibre cement cladding" in the UK and Australasia) is a building material used to cover the exterior of a building in both commercial and domestic applications" (wikipedia)"

I'll be checking back for pictures, thanks for saying that the samples were scratched, I got confused Confused when I saw that Wink

...and don't fight the traffic...join it... Wink ...look at the other people driving, they're hilarious! hehehe Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooh Steve, it reminds me of a Pompeii wall. Love it. Is this house in Deep Cove by any chance?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope slightly below and to the east of the british properties,I can see the city skyline and the park from the roof....cant see rec beach though too far for the zoom lens Razz

the tannish one a pompeii wall?

either way ...gawd i love that color the tan one:P....

elena should of just said fibred cement basecoat...as in stucco.....not hardipanel if thats what you mean:P

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the black one. Love it.


Hmmm, so you must be just off the Taylor Way Highway exit. I was wondering if you were working on teh same house my son is doing carpentry on.

I'd love to see a pic of the Lime Paint sample Darrell did on top of your "slop dash" - is that right?

Got a pic?

So what colour trim are they putting with this?

If I wander by one day, will you let me slap some up?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

too dark to take a shot right now....will do one before i head to work in the morn...looks slik


next time i see you....Ill be doin the slappin...hahahah and you know where ...right pat?Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my Gawd,
You really made me laugh out loud!

Hey, drive up Taylor Way, just above the upper levels, going up, right at the bottom of the british properties, Look for 1580. That's where I grew up.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Steve,

Looks like a great project, how many square feet are you doing...? Are you going to polish the tadelakt with a stone...? How many people will you have on the tadelakt crew...?

This is the first exterior tadelakt I have seen over here.. I think it is great.. I saw some in Marrakech... huge 3 story walls done by like 25 moroccan guys in sandals.

Will stay tuned..
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryan, your site is so cool. That house looks kind of Dali-esque.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toooooooo much work....good luck I hope they pay you a ton$$$$$$$$$
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry been on hols for an xtra long weekend on vancouver island,

Ryan the square footage is approx 2900,and for polishing we will use the combination of stainless trowel and nylon float ....no stone on this job ....cost prohibitive,the steel and nylon trowels compact the tadelakt very well.

my crew extends from 7 up to 20 at any given time, depends on the work load

the exterior finish will be with only 4 people .... everything previous to the finish ( rainscreen scratch and brown )will be done with 7 guys

all the walls are broken into small panels with aluminum reveals verticle and horizontal,giving a very contemporary look and feel.

I would surely like to know if this is indeed the first exterior largish scale "Tadelakt" application done in N.America ....hard to say for sure, would like to add it to my list of other self proclaimed exterior firsts Razz

thanks for the interest

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you can pretty safely say that this is the first large scale exterior tadelakt in N. america I have not heard of any others..

In vancouver, you have a great climate for an exterior tadelakt to last for a long, long time..

Is the material you are using a moroccan lime or domestically produced..?
Acrylic additives?

We have had issues in showers with long hairline cracks in the tadelakt that come from the cement stucco basecoat shrinking as it cures... when we put the tadelakt over the cement, before it has fully cured (shrunk) (?30 days??)the cracks come through the tadelakt.

Still trying to figure out this whole basecoat dilemma???.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

artesano wrote:
I think you can pretty safely say that this is the first large scale exterior tadelakt in N. america I have not heard of any others..

In vancouver, you have a great climate for an exterior tadelakt to last for a long, long time..

Is the material you are using a moroccan lime or domestically produced..?
Acrylic additives?

We have had issues in showers with long hairline cracks in the tadelakt that come from the cement stucco basecoat shrinking as it cures... when we put the tadelakt over the cement, before it has fully cured (shrunk) (?30 days??)the cracks come through the tadelakt.

Still trying to figure out this whole basecoat dilemma???.



would be nice to think..... for me at least that it is indeed the first one of any size.

the material is Stucco Italiano's Tadelakt imported by Aaron Cohen from SAFS

"Acrylic additives?"

I asked Aaron this very question this morning ....im wanting to add a polymer for my own piece of mind ....to aid purely and simply in flexibility ...he's speaking with the owner for his recommendations

north americans worry about cracks ...me I think they enhance the look ...but thats just me:P

at the beginning of this project I presented the owner with the idea of using hydraulic lime basecoats from trans mineral.

Im prepared to pay a portion of the cost...monday I will speak with I believe its michael from there and see if they are interested in seeing there product on an exterior in the pacific north west ( read as ....kicking in a portion of the cost for the hydraulic basecoat) with Stucco Italiano tadelakt for the finish,will probably fall on deaf ears but im going to try ....the owner can see no advantage except for myself as the applicator in adding another tidy sum to his already rising construction costs.


full cure for cement basecoat is 28 days ...an acrylic stucco can be applied at 10 days ...14 is the norm...interior /exterior it does not matter...the longer the damper the better .
the product i use here is Imasco greatwall basecoat concentrate....cannot say enough about this bagged product ....floated and compressed properly we get very little field cracking,and is the product which will be under the Stucco Italiano Tadelakt for this project, if the Trans mineral conversation does indeed fall on deaf ears.

Im losing the weather here and we have some hold ups with windows and flashing ....im gonna cry if I do not get this finished without heat and hoarding this year...no product performs the same in application with fake heat

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve,

Michel at transmineral is a friend of mine, I don t know if you'll get any deals on materials, I dont think it would be a heck of a lot more in terms of overall cost, maybe $1000.00 or so.. shipping times etc could be a bit of an issue, at this stage..

If done properly, we get small microcracks in all of our tadelakt work. I believe that the cracks are what makes it authentic tadelakt rather than a fake veneer.
In marrakech, I learned to spot the fake tadelakt. In the markets, there are all kinds of tadelakt pottery objects for sale, the fake ones are actually done with a paint like substance that can be polished to a shine, probably not unlike some of the acrylic paint store venetian plasters that we have here.

So, you would look for the cracks..... The crux of tadelakt is to be able to control the cracks, too big and you ve got gapers that let the water in..

The cracks that I was referring to in the previous post are long straight hairline cracks that tend to run horizontally across the whole wall. These are what I refer to as movement cracks and are to be avoided..
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1000?? Id pay for it myself at that cost ,I costed it out at $6000...unless i was given incorrect numbers ...ill look at it again on monday.
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artesano wrote:
I think you can pretty safely say that this is the first large scale exterior tadelakt in N. america I have not heard of any others..

In vancouver, you have a great climate for an exterior tadelakt to last for a long, long time..

Is the material you are using a moroccan lime or domestically produced..?
Acrylic additives?

We have had issues in showers with long hairline cracks in the tadelakt that come from the cement stucco basecoat shrinking as it cures... when we put the tadelakt over the cement, before it has fully cured (shrunk) (?30 days??)the cracks come through the tadelakt.

Still trying to figure out this whole basecoat dilemma???.



would be nice to think..... for me at least that it is indeed the first one of any size.

the material is Stucco Italiano's Tadelakt imported by Aaron Cohen from SAFS

"Acrylic additives?"

I asked Aaron this very question this morning ....im wanting to add a polymer for my own piece of mind ....to aid purely and simply in flexibility ...he's speaking with the owner for his recommendations

north americans worry about cracks ...me I think they enhance the look ...but thats just me:P

at the beginning of this project I presented the owner with the idea of using hydraulic lime basecoats from trans mineral.

Im prepared to pay a portion of the cost...monday I will speak with I believe its michael from there and see if they are interested in seeing there product on an exterior in the pacific north west ( read as ....kicking in a portion of the cost for the hydraulic basecoat) with Stucco Italiano tadelakt for the finish,will probably fall on deaf ears but im going to try ....the owner can see no advantage except for myself as the applicator in adding another tidy sum to his already rising construction costs.


full cure for cement basecoat is 28 days ...an acrylic stucco can be applied at 10 days ...14 is the norm...interior /exterior it does not matter...the longer the damper the better .
the product i use here is Imasco greatwall basecoat concentrate....cannot say enough about this bagged product ....floated and compressed properly we get very little field cracking,and is the product which will be under the Stucco Italiano Tadelakt for this project, if the Trans mineral conversation does indeed fall on deaf ears.

Im losing the weather here and we have some hold ups with windows and flashing ....im gonna cry if I do not get this finished without heat and hoarding this year...no product performs the same in application with fake heat



so I did end up crying due to a series of mishaps from other trades and other things ...we just completed this yesterday 21 july 2009...ended up in the last year laying off a few people,and finishing the majority with 2 very patient guys ....sean if you ever read this ...hats off to you and thank you!!

extremely taxing project.......

Tadelakt on this large of a scale is a very stressful finish to do, mostly because of the color in this case

looky lou here--------> Exterior Tadelakt Stucco

after the landscape is finished I will update with more shots

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow--awesome project. I LOVE the style of this home and the exterior is fabulous!!! Very nice work.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

painted spaces wrote:
Wow--awesome project. I LOVE the style of this home and the exterior is fabulous!!! Very nice work.


sorry late reply.....been busy

thanks so much! interior is just as stunning as the exterior....owner did a great job of the design

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

where do we find the pictures?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to see the pics. go to the first post and click on the album page at the bottom.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Plasterers Arms wrote:
The Plasterers Arms wrote:
artesano wrote:
I think you can pretty safely say that this is the first large scale exterior tadelakt in N. america I have not heard of any others..

In vancouver, you have a great climate for an exterior tadelakt to last for a long, long time..

Is the material you are using a moroccan lime or domestically produced..?
Acrylic additives?

We have had issues in showers with long hairline cracks in the tadelakt that come from the cement stucco basecoat shrinking as it cures... when we put the tadelakt over the cement, before it has fully cured (shrunk) (?30 days??)the cracks come through the tadelakt.

Still trying to figure out this whole basecoat dilemma???.



would be nice to think..... for me at least that it is indeed the first one of any size.

the material is Stucco Italiano's Tadelakt imported by Aaron Cohen from SAFS

"Acrylic additives?"

I asked Aaron this very question this morning ....im wanting to add a polymer for my own piece of mind ....to aid purely and simply in flexibility ...he's speaking with the owner for his recommendations

north americans worry about cracks ...me I think they enhance the look ...but thats just me:P

at the beginning of this project I presented the owner with the idea of using hydraulic lime basecoats from trans mineral.

Im prepared to pay a portion of the cost...monday I will speak with I believe its michael from there and see if they are interested in seeing there product on an exterior in the pacific north west ( read as ....kicking in a portion of the cost for the hydraulic basecoat) with Stucco Italiano tadelakt for the finish,will probably fall on deaf ears but im going to try ....the owner can see no advantage except for myself as the applicator in adding another tidy sum to his already rising construction costs.


full cure for cement basecoat is 28 days ...an acrylic stucco can be applied at 10 days ...14 is the norm...interior /exterior it does not matter...the longer the damper the better .
the product i use here is Imasco greatwall basecoat concentrate....cannot say enough about this bagged product ....floated and compressed properly we get very little field cracking,and is the product which will be under the Stucco Italiano Tadelakt for this project, if the Trans mineral conversation does indeed fall on deaf ears.

Im losing the weather here and we have some hold ups with windows and flashing ....im gonna cry if I do not get this finished without heat and hoarding this year...no product performs the same in application with fake heat



so I did end up crying due to a series of mishaps from other trades and other things ...we just completed this yesterday 21 july 2009...ended up in the last year laying off a few people,and finishing the majority with 2 very patient guys ....sean if you ever read this ...hats off to you and thank you!!

extremely taxing project.......

Tadelakt on this large of a scale is a very stressful finish to do, mostly because of the color in this case

looky lou here--------> Exterior Tadelakt Stucco

after the landscape is finished I will update with more shots



for that specific project they pictures were actually posted 3 comments up.....now there also in this coment labelled exterior tadelakt stucco Razz

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